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Dice Control:  How to Create a Hot Craps Table

By Jerry Patterson:

 

Knowledgeable gamblers have long recognized “The Big 4” – blackjack, poker, sports betting and thoroughbred racing – as the standard games in which an astute player can actually turn the odds in his favor and achieve an advantage over the house. 

 

But what about craps with its 1.4% house advantage or roulette in which the casino holds a seemingly insurmountable 5.6% advantage over the players?  Can an advantage actually be achieved, the house odds overturned, in these two games?

 

In this first of a series of articles on advantage play, I will describe how to attain an advantage in casino craps by using dice control.  I’ll discuss the issues of whether or not an advantage can actually be achieved, present some ideas for how to prove to yourself that an advantage exists, and give you some suggestions on how to attain and exploit an advantage by using dice control.

 

Let’s start by defining just what an advantage is.  If you're flat betting, i.e., betting the same amount on each roll of the dice or spin of the wheel or blackjack hand, you gain an advantage by winning more bets than you lose.  If you're varying your bet size, you attain an advantage by knowing when you enter the advantage arena and, thus, when to increase your bet size.  Put another way, if a system cannot beat the casino by flat betting, it is not an advantage system. 

 

Casino Craps

How would you like to walk up to a craps table knowing that you had an excellent chance of creating a hot table, that when your turn came to pick up the dice, you could throw number after number without the losing seven showing, collecting profits on almost every roll of the dice?     

How would it feel to make pass line bets and place bets with the confidence of collecting winnings, sometimes substantial winnings, before sevening out?

Most of the time hot shooters and hot tables like this occur by chance.  But, experienced “rhythm rollers” can create them.  And that’s what dice control is all about – developing a “rhythm roll” that turns the tables on the casino, swings the advantage to you the shooter, and gives you the means of creating a hot craps table.

To develop an advantage at craps, you must alter the physical phenomena of the game.  To do this, you must learn how to control the dice, that is, throw the dice in such a way as to minimize the number of losing sevens being thrown after the point number is established.  You achieve an advantage by throwing less than one 7 for every six rolls of the dice after the point has been established.

The idea of dice control has been around for years.  I first heard about it in the early ‘80s when an elderly gentleman in one of my craps classes demonstrated how to set and how to throw the cubes.  But his throw involved sliding the dice down the layout after setting them to achieve the desired result.  He called his throw “the old Army Blanket Roll” and it was widely used by sharpers among the Servicemen in World War II and, afterwards, on the back streets and in the illegal casinos in New York City and elsewhere.  You could get away with using it in the early days in Vegas, but the casino bosses soon caught on and outlawed “the slider.”  This sliding throw is the reason that the casinos string that thin piece of wire across the center of the table – to prohibit it by stopping the cubes on their path down the table.

A few other players showed me their parabolic controlled throws over the years none of which proved effective.  Either their throws were too high (thus drawing the ire of the Stick Man and/or Box Man) and/or bounced too much after landing and banging against the back wall, thus ending up as a random throw.

I began to fool around with dice control in the mid-90s after losing interest in blackjack.  I had about a two-year run of success at the craps tables which prompted me to analyze my play and ask the question “what am I doing different from before when I was losing?”  I concluded that my throw had become more rhythmic and that I was subconsciously analyzing the form of other shooters with a very discerning eye before committing to wager anything other than a minimum bet on their hand. 

A young engineer who called himself “Sharpshooter” came to my attention in one of my blackjack update seminars.  He had been doing research on dice control for a number of years and explained it thusly:      

“If you could simply set the dice on the desired result without having to throw them, you have controlled the dice 100%. If you could set the dice and just slide them a few feet carefully down a teflon surface, you would have the desired result, maybe 90% of the time.  Now envision the dice being lightly tossed through the air into a sandbox. As they land, they sink into the sand slightly and do not bounce.  Under these circumstances, the dice can be controlled about 70% of the time.”

We both agreed that in the real world of casino play, you must take into account the table surface that the dice must bounce and tumble over and the back wall with its diamond-like protrusions the casino requires you to hit. 

So gaining an advantage is no slam dunk, but, by learning how to set the dice, to grip the dice and to throw the dice, and then by repetitive practice, you can attain a measurable and substantial advantage over the house.

But I wondered just how much control would be required to eliminate the house edge and jump into the advantage arena.  So I asked Sharpshooter to develop a calculation of what it would take to overcome the house advantage and he worked out a formula which yielded a break-even point of just one controlled throw for every 43 rolls of the dice for the 6 and 8 place bets.  In other words, all it takes to eliminate the house edge is a skill level of throwing 7 sevens every 43 rolls of the dice instead of the random 7 sevens in 42 rolls.  He also developed the formula for computing the player advantage over the casino that I’ll get to below. 

Sharpshooter and I have since gone on to form a successful partnership to continue our research and to organize and manage craps teams.  Much of our work is taught in a comprehensive dice control course.  Our dice control methodology is introduced in a book we co-authored called Casino Gambling.

So what you are reading here is not just fuzzy theory; it has been time-tested under the fire of casino play for over five years.  

In this article, to simplify the explanation of deriving the player advantage, I will use 7 sevens in 48 rolls as the example – a “sevens-to-rolls ratio” of 1:8. 

In order to accomplish this, you need a consistent delivery system. You can compare a controlled throw to playing just about any sport.  Much like the basketball player working on his three-point shot or the golfer working on his swing, the “rhythm roller” practices his or her dice sets, develops a carefully balanced grip and executes the controlled throw with a soft release.

After you release the dice at about a 45-degree angle, ideally they should travel side-by-side and go through identical motions; they should land together, hitting the table flat, with minimal bounce, just grazing the rubber pyramidal backing and quickly coming to rest.  For the skilled rhythm roller, it looks as though only one die was thrown along the length of a mirror, and the second die is just its reflection. The key is to get the dice going through the same motion.  You are developing and using your "muscle memory" to achieve the consistency needed to overcome the house edge.

Craps is the only game where you, the player, can develop your own advantage and turn the house odds your way.  You have control!  You don’t have control in blackjack or other card games because you are at the mercy of the shuffle and the order of the cards in the shoe.  And you don’t have control in roulette because you have no way to influence the spin of the wheel or the release of the ball.

I asked Sharpshooter to develop a formula for calculating the advantage of a skilled rhythm roller.  His sharp engineering mind turned to the problem and quickly came up with the following formula for place bets to complement the break-even formula mentioned above:

Player Advantage (%) = (Actual Payoff – Correct Payoff) times Probability of Outcome times 100 percent

Now let’s plug in some numbers to compute the Player Advantage for the 6 and 8 place bets assuming the skilled player throws 6 sevens every 48 rolls instead of the 8 sevens which is random:

(7/6 – 6/7) times 7/13 times 100% = 16.67% where 7/6 is the actual casino payoff for the 6 and 8 place bets, 6/7 is the correct payoff and 7/13 is probability of outcome or frequency of occurrence. 

To understand these numbers you need to look at a new frequency distribution of 48 rolls instead of the standard 36.  In this 48-roll sample, we are assuming that the skilled rhythm roller only throws the 7 six times (instead of the random eight times), while the 6 and 8 are each thrown seven times.  Therefore, the “correct” house payoff for this altered game should only be $6 for each $7 bet instead of $7 for each $6 bet.  This is because the player now holds the advantage, not the casino.  The Probability of Outcome of either the 6 or the 8 is 7/13; i.e. throwing the 6 or the 8 before the losing seven shows.  To understand the 7/13, note that you have seven chances of throwing the 6 and 8 in 48 rolls but only six chances of throwing the 7 in 48 rolls; thus the probability of outcome is 7 divided by 7+6 or 7/13.

 So there you have it.  Can you achieve this 1:8 sevens-to-rolls ratio?  It all depends on your commitment and motivation to practice.  But it can be done and many of my and Sharpshooter’s students will attest to this fact.  If this 16.67% player advantage is too hard for you to believe, remember that an advantage can be achieved by surpassing the break-even sevens-to-rolls ratio of 1 to 6.14.  You could shoot for an SRR of 1:7 and command an advantage of about 9%!

Before giving you an introductory lesson in dice control, I must tell you that there is one “catch” to achieving this advantage – the dice must be in your hands.  When you don’t have the dice in your hands, you are subject to the random throws of the other players.  So the question you should ask is how many other players possess this skill and are they difficult to spot?  Answering this question is key to proving to yourself that dice control really works.  I suggest using what you learn in this article to search for other shooters possessing a controlled throw.  Keep a share eye for rhythm rollers on your next and subsequent trips to the casino, note whether they win or lose and how much, and you will have a pretty good idea about the efficacy of dice control.

Get out a pair of dice and hold them in your hands. Do that now and then come back here and continue reading (if you don't have a pair, I suggest picking one up from the drugstore or the casino the next time you go). Put the two 5s on top with the 1s pointing to the left.  Now look on the inside faces - open up the two 5s. What do you see?  A 6 on the left die and a 1 on the right die - the seven.

Now look at the two outside faces - the left face and the right face. You see the other 1 and the other 6 - another seven. In setting the dice this way, you are putting two of the sevens out of the way - one on the inside and one on the outside.  I know, I know, they may not stay there as the dice fly through the air, but as you learn to control the dice and keep them more or less together through their orbit, the chances of these two sevens coming up are minimized.  Not eliminated, minimized.

This set is called the hard way set because the pairs show on all four sides: 5,5; 4,4; 3,3; and 2,2. This is a good set to start with in learning how to execute a controlled throw.  The hard way set is just one of many sets you can choose; it’s not the most effective but the easiest to execute in the heat of casino play. 

Do the casinos let you set the dice?  Yes and no.  No, if you take too long.  They don’t want you holding up the game.  Yes, if you use an easy natural motion and are quick about it – in our dice control class we teach our students how to set in two seconds or less.

Very seldom will you get any heat from the pit if you set quickly and then don’t take too long to complete your controlled launch.  And you must follow the one main rule they do enforce – you much hit the back wall.  If you miss it once, they usually won’t say anything, but miss it twice and you will get an admonishment from the Box Man to hit the back wall.

The main objective of learning the controlled throw, of course, is to throw the long hand and score every time you throw a “number” you’ve bet on after the point has been established.  In the middle of a long hand you may get some heat or distraction from the Stick or the Box Man.  They know that a skilled rhythm roller can beat them.  Any heat of this type can be quickly dispelled by betting a toke on the line or on a hard way number “for the dealers.”

Learning how to set is just the first step in becoming a skilled rhythm roller.  The other two key factors are the grip and the throw itself.  I use a “pincer” grip with my pinky finger and forefinger acting as pincers, one on each end of the dice with my two middle fingers resting gently on top.  You need to experiment to find the grip you’re most comfortable with.  As for the throw, there are many different styles starting with overhand versus underhand.  Choosing your own throwing style leads to another key decision – table position:  Where is the best spot to throw from:  Table end?  Hook?  Next to stick?  These factors and decisions are all part of your learning process.  I’ll discuss them in my next article and also introduce the subject of roulette “signatures” as the key to overturning the house edge in roulette.  In the meantime, practice your controlled throw at home on the kitchen table or in the bedroom by throwing into an open dresser drawer.  And look for those rhythm rollers on your next trip to the casino.

  

Editor’s Note:  For more on dice control, pick up a copy of Jerry Patterson’s book – Casino Gambling: A Winner’s Guide to Blackjack, Craps, Roulette, Baccarat and Casino Poker or visit his Web Site at:  www.casinogamblingedge.com  

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             Special note from "ahcraps": This is an important article by a new webmaster by the name of  Katrina. She launched a new site at http://www.gamblinggirl.com and tells it like it is! If you are an online gambler - caution is the word! Remember, everything that glitters is not gold!

          Regulation is a sham! by gamblinggirl

I've been sitting on this for a while, but I can keep quiet no longer. These so called "commissions" and "organizations" that are here to supposedly "protect" players from getting screwed by online casinos are so bogus it hurts. The majority of them claim to be "not-for-profit" but if they're "not-for-profit", then I'm twelve (and I'm not twelve). They are golden cash cows being run by those crafty enough to manipulate an unlegislated industry.

I think the most blatant offender is the Kahnawake Gaming Commission. I'm all for Native rights, but give me a break. This so called commission has created a 70+ page document entitled "Regulations Concerning Interactive Gaming" for anyone who wants to start an online casino. They also have an "Application For Interactive Gambling License" and once you've filled that out, you can fill out the "Business Entity Information" and "Personal Information Form". This drives me nuts. What a perfect example of how individuals can highjack a completely unlegislated industry by setting themselves up as a respectable authority. 

Next on my hit list: The Off-Shore Gaming Association. Uh, yeah, offshore. That instills a lot of confidence. They claim to be a "professional non-biased third party organization that gives objective opinions, based on your feedback, independent research, phone calls, tips and inside news". Really? Then why do you run advertising on your site? This is a glorified affiliate site trying to attract traffic by billing itself as an "association". SafeBet states "To become a SafeBet member, your casino must undergo certain stringent quality control tests after which it will be given a certification level of Platinum, Gold, or Silver. Your certification level will be determined by the number of qualifications you wish your casino to meet." Wonder what these so-called "qualifications" are? They are called "Show. Me. The. Money". That's right - the only difference between a silver, gold and platinum rating is how much money the casino is willing to cough up. They really have the casinos over a barrel on that one, because who wants to be "gold" when there is "platinum" status? What? This casino is only "SafeBet Gold Certified? Hmmm...must be something wrong if they aren't "SafeBet Platinum Certified"!? Next year they will up the ante with "Titanium" certification.

The Interactive Gaming Council is open to anyone with $500US who is willing to fill out their form and mail it to some hacks in Vancouver, BC. That's a pretty good deal - run your business out of Canada and get paid in US dollars. The Electronic Gaming Commission states: "The Electronic Gaming Commission is a non-profit organization. We're funded by advertising revenues. However we only accept advertisements from our approved sites." Good thing they approve just about anybody. 'Nuff said.

So, in light of all of this, I am launching the Gambling Girl Gaming  Commission which will be a completely profitable firm whose sole purpose is to stick it to the man. Oh, and I'll also give anyone who is willing to pay me $500US a nifty little button for their site. All that, and you don't even have to fill out a form, because I will approve anyone who is willing to give me money. That's right - and I'm not even part of a special interest group, I'm just a girl looking to make a quick buck. So, send me an email at gg@gamblinggirl.com and I'll let you know where you can send your check to.

Gambling Girl

 

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My Last Outing      by: free4

 

Would like to share an experience with you from last outing.  I had the misfortune of being trapped between to random players of some what questionable ability in craps.  Many months ago,  you and I went thru understandings of the knower.  Guess what,  these 2 guys was watching my play scenario like a hawk.  Every time I made a move,  they would remain with their bets as is and wind up smacked.  I would be a winner.  After a time, the 20 questions started.  I tried to be courteous to them and still maintain my game. 

I remember one incident in particular,  a random shooter,  by the way had been watching him from prior rolls and he truly was a random shooter, he set point,  rolled a couple of times and them popped 2 craps back to back.  Having seen this,  I instructed the dealer to pull my bets down and give me a dollar any seven.  Bang,  he did the 7-out the very next roll. I save my place bets, and smacked'em with a BIG RED! 
                                             OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH  Yeah!    

Guy on my left said,  how did you know he was gonna do that?  I briefly told him that the indicator was 2 craps back to back and that he was a random shooter.  Guy on left was satisfied, but guy on right asked,  wellllllllllllllll,  what does random shooter mean and what's that got to do with it? 

First part of story is for you Larry,  I was up $54 across,  $44 insdie and $5...4/10.  I hit a 6,  pulled down to single unit on 6/8,  next roll I hit a 5,  pulled down to single units on set,  then pulled them all down when I saw the 2 craps in a row.  Your Pay-4-it-1st,  your "knower" and ultimately the 7-out,  and I was there for all of it.  One hell-of-a-job Pal!!!!!!!!!

Now,  all the time and effort I put into the study of dice geometry paid off for me mixed with your scenario in that "Knowing" dice axis,  set probability outcomes was additional support for identifying the magic "Indicator". 

To answer the guy's question on the right,  I gave him a very short description of die axis and what the 2 craps in a row indicated.  That was simply his random throwing was producing a dead ringer axis of 4 probable 7's and I knew using the progressive table of 7's I was gonna nail him. With this,  I had 2 undying attendants of quarries for duration of the session.  Didn't help my game any because of the distractions, but helped theirs abundantly.  Hey guy,  we did gooooooooood!

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The Way to Success! by Usdice

I was at my local barge the other week and shooting the dice. 2 guys come up beside me and lay down 300 bucks. They seemed to be very good friends. Anyway, the dice get to them and only the one guy shoots (He's #2 right next to me Rt. side of stick. I'm in the 1st position Rt. side)

So he starts fiddling with the dice and made some basic bets like $12.00 each 6 & 8.....pretty normal, so the guy fiddles with the dice every toss to set the dice in the 'Flying V'.

Well, most if not all of us know what the 'V' is that have studied the art of Dice Setting. So he tosses several numbers and 7's out. Not recouping his investment and he says to his partner, "I should be able to toss longer than that, I must not be throwing them correctly".

His next attempt goes pretty well. He tossed about a dozen numbers made 2 points and made some money back.

After the second shoot of his, I turn to him and say, " I see you are tossing the 'Flying V'".

He is astonished that I am familiar with it and said, " Yes, but I don't seem to be in rhythm"

I said, " How long you been tossing the bones".

He said, " This is my second time throwing dice".

I cracked a small smile and said "you need to toss a thousand more times to just be average, ten-thousand to get decent and 100,000 to begin to master your own method". He asked me if I toss the Flying V and I said sometimes just to see if I can have any success at it.

(Personal thoughts)

99.9 % of the crap shooters I have met have fixated in their head that the game of craps is a negative game where you can only get 'Lucky' and usually you will lose over time.

Sure, we know the laws of averages. The problem with the laws of averages is the game of craps is everything BUT average.

I would venture to say that people lose only because they have not mastered their own self discipline.

Well, this is all fine and dandy except it's exactly those kind of players I don't like to be around. I feel that negativity breeds negativity. Sort of like the rats going down with the ship thing.

You see life is full of 'Losing'. Since childhood the majority of people never learn how to lose.

People are raised with the notion that:

You have to WIN, you have to succeed, you have to get ahead and there is never any attention paid to the fact that 99.9% of the time at first we as individuals do not succeed, we do not win, we will LOSE. Overcoming the loss or how we as individuals respond from a loss is the key to your own self discipline. Self discipline takes countless hours of practice and we never quit learning how to master and control it.

The guy tossing the 'V' tells me he read about the 'V' in a new book he just bought. I'm thinking, I'm in the wrong line of work! I asked him if the book was one of several as I riddled off some titles and he didn't even know the authors name of the book he just bought.

The moral of this story is he lost all of his buy in. Got flustered when he was trying to set the dice and after betting his last dollar, stammered off the boat with his friend.

You see no matter what you do in life, 99.9% of the time to get decent at something, (most things that is unless you are a gifted individual in that realm)

Ya Gotta PRACTICE, PRACTICE & PRACTICE!

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How do you approach the game of Craps? The following Flow chart gives you a game plan provided by Free4:  

       The Craper's Flow Chart

 

 

ARRIVAL

 

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LEGEND:   BLUE BOXES IMPLY DECISIONS

YELLOW BOXES IMPLY CAUTION/NON-GAMING DECISIONS

GREEN BOXES IMPLY TABLE ACTION/YOUR GAMING METHOD

RED BOXES MEANS STOP

 

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The following is an ongoing dialog between Matt Gurr and myself concerning His struggle and success with the study of trends and the proper way to use Big Red Strategy. This was posted with the expressed permission of Matt with the hope it will help others deciding to get involved learning Situational Craps. Thanks Matt!  

 

----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew Gurr<mathewg@ozemail.com.au>
To: Larry F Freiwald <mygamble@juno.com>
Sent: December 4, 2000 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: Lesson #2

 Larry,
 I believe that there might be something to studying trends for Big Red.  Can I receive a copy of lesson #2?

 Rgds Matt G

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 ----- Original Message -----
From: Larry F Freiwald <mygamble@juno.com>
 To: <mathewg@ozemail.com.au>
 Sent:  December 04, 2000 1:34
 Subject: Lesson #2

 Hi Matt,
 Thank you for becoming involved with Situation Craps.  I will have lesson #2 available in the next week or so. How many sets have you done in Lesson #1? Spend as much time as you can doing sets. It is designed to develop your "Knower". That will take time. No easy way to learn to play the Situation. For the first 3 sets remember to just observe and do not draw an conclusions about any % of short trends! I just want you to see how Hot, Cold, and Choppy tables develop without the confusion of come-out and passes. Keep me posted on your progress.

 Thanks, Larry "AhCraps"!
 www.ahcraps.com
Play the Situation - Use a Strategy!

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----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew Gurr<mathewg@ozemail.com.au>
To: Larry F Freiwald <mygamble@juno.com>
Sent: December 5, 2000 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: Lesson #2

 Larry,
 I am very interested in your Lesson #2. My conclusions from lesson #1, are that the best chances for you to capitalize on the Big Red is when the 7 has been vacant for a long time. There seems to be a pattern evolve that the 7's are grouped together after a long absence of the 7. Is this similar to your conclusions?

 Rgds Matt G

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----- Original Message -----
From: Larry F Freiwald <mygamble@juno.com>
To: Matthew Gurr<mathewg@ozemail.com.au>
 Sent:  December 5, 2000 6:26 PM
 Subject: Re: Lesson #2

Hi Mat,
First I want you to forgive me for not communicating the strict requirements that tells me you are ready for lesson #2. You should have kept records of lesson #1. It is the times you were right about predicting a short cycle compared to the times you were wrong that is important. You do not mention the number of Sets that you have completed. Understand that lesson #1 is not about "Chances" it is about "KNOWING" Understand that this is a new direction I want to take the game of Craps. I want to develop a core of Situational Crap players that understand what playing the Situation is all about. Go back and carefully re-read the instructions for lesson #1. Try to understand what you are trying to achieve. It takes time to develop a skill. Embrace that time as you begin to learn what clicks inside you! I want you to develop this skill step by step the right way. Your success is my success! This is for your own good! Trust me. If you try to skip the foundation the house will fall! Remember that it will be your money at stake at the table - not mine! That alone should be the motivation to do things right. When the time is right send me the results.

 Thanks, Larry "AhCraps"!

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On Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:59:06 +1100 "Matthew Gurr"

mathewg@ozemail.com.au> writes:

 Larry,
 I had done 120 cycles and charted the results when I emailed you last. Now I have just finished another 80 rolls and this is my results- 
18 cycles that I guessed were correct 
10 I guessed were wrong 
26 no-decision would of been correct 
26 no-decision would of been wrong 
Is this the information you are looking for? I am using the Star Casino Form Fun Software. I fully believe that you are on to something here, used in the right way, when the 7's are grouping together, it is profitable! Note that the average no. of spins over 200 cycles before the 7 came up was 4.

 Rgds Matt G

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 From: Larry F Freiwald <mygamble@juno.com>
To: <mathewg@ozemail.com.au>
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: Lesson #2

 Mat,
     Why are you in such a hurry? It sounds like you have been playing for a long time. The casinos are still going to be there! Look, there is a reason for you to complete ALL 9 SETS. It is clearly marked in red in the instructions. (I am going to post very clear instruction soon.) If you took the time to read it, it's there!) I set it up that way not to make it difficult for you! I set it up that way for you to learn! It took me over 2500 cycles before I started to understand what it
meant to be in the flow. I am passing time saving information to you! 

    You are still talking about percentages. If this is all you want to see, go by the Odds charts - don't waste your time developing your "KNOWER"! I hope that you fully understand the levels of knowledge as you have done and continue to do the lessons. The first level is to convince yourself that short cycles can and do exist, and when you are ready you will discover that key indicators do exist. That is the ONLY value that Stats have! From that point on the lessons are designed to develop that unexplained KNOWER that is part of all of us. (Just knowing when something is going to happen) Your win consistency will improve as you focus on developing your KNOWER. Trends do not exist in a mathematical mindset - we want to make sense out of something that does not make sense. This is why whenever you THINK a number or trend is due because the math says it should - most of the time you are wrong! We walk a fine line between the way things should be and the way things are! The direction that Situational Craps is taking is to recognize this unexplained nature of trends and develop an unexplained KNOWING mindset to take advantage of the random situations. This can only be done in a relaxed state when you get "what you think should happen" out of the way, as you attempt to "Get in the Flow" when you just Know something is going to happen. This is the whole concept of table awareness that I talk about on my Situational Craps Page. I know that it is hard to understand what I am talking about because this is an area I can not show you - you have to experience it! 

    I do not know what you do for a living, but I am going to assume that you know more about what you are doing now than you did your first day on the JOB. It takes time, and work to achieve this level of play! If you do not have the discipline to complete lesson #1, you won't have the discipline to complete lesson #2! If I sold you this program, and you did it your way, you would lose big time! Believe me, you would want your money back! And you would have a few not-so-nice things to say to your friends. Not because it is a bad program, but because you want to cut corners. I am taking my time with you because  believe you want to learn. But if you can not follow instructions, please do not waste my time!

Thanks, Larry "AhCraps"!

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 On TUE, 19 Dec 2000 21:33:19 +1100 "Matthew Gurr"
<mathewg@ozemail.com.au>writes:

 Larry,
 I am sorry that I am trying to rush this, as I have seen soo many strategies and soo many systems that do not work, that when one comes along that I think has merit, I try to make it work! I appreciate your patience and will return your email when I have done the appropriate homework.

 Rgds Matt G

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 ----- Original Message -----
From: Larry F Freiwald <mygamble@juno.com>
To: <mathewg@ozemail.com.au>
Sent: Tue, Dec 19, 2000 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: Lesson #2

 Just know that I am here if you have any questions! Just relax and enjoy each session. The first few sets, only pick out strong opportunities. The ones you KNOW are going to be short. It may be only three or four in a set - But if you select the ones you Know - and you are right - that's a 100 %. As you begin to get in the flow you will be able to predict more. Hang in there, we'll make a Situational Player out of you yet!

Thanks, Larry "AhCraps"!

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 On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:25:10 +1100 "Matthew Gurr"
<mathewg@ozemail.com.au>
writes:

 Larry,
 I have just finished completing 10 sets. Using the BIG RED strategy on the last 3 sets I would of won $1740 using $10 unit progression! Guessing correct on 20 occasions and wrong on only 3. I cannot believe that I was right so many times!
Am I just lucky? I look forward to Lesson #2, as I don't know how you can make this strategy any better! RELAXED DISCIPLINE is the key, I just got to a stage especially in the last set, where I thought I knew what was going to happen, and I have only done 10 sets!! In my next few sets, I am going to combine Pay For It First and the BIG RED strategy and will keep you posted on my continuing results.

     Rgds Matt

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---- Original Message -----
From: Larry F Freiwald <mygamble@juno.com>
To: <mathewg@ozemail.com.au>
Sent: Tue Jan 16, 2001 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: Lesson #2

Hi Matt,
 I want you to know that your last e-mail has made the last few
years of  work developing Situational Craps worth every minute of it! You  are the first viewer (student) that has understood the concept of the "KNOWER". I knew that it would be difficult to change the minds of players to be able to see craps in a different light, and I was proven right. The fact is, you are the FIRST to fully understand what my site is all about. Because of you I am sure that more will follow. I am going to over look your comment about your just being lucky. During the last 3 sets, you observed 360 cycles. You demonstrated the patience to only play the 23 that you KNEW had a chance to be short! You were correct 20 of the 23 time - that goes way beyond luck! To give luck the credit, you would have had to play Big Red on all 360 cycles and by chance (luck) ran into a number of cold cycles that would give you a win. Even though this may have been possible, you would have to depend on running into that "LUCKY" situation again to be able to repeat your win. But because you KNOW why you won - you can repeat that win by knowing the right situation! I am going to ask you a favor for the benefit of all those bone heads (craps players) out there. We have kept a running dialog of the importance of learning Situational Craps the right way. With your permission I would like to post our dialog from the time you thought there was an easy way to learn, to the point of your success. I would need to use your full name and e-mail address to verify that your success is not something I just made up. Think about it and let me know. I will be sending you lesson #2 shortly. You will be able to expand your knowledge of short cycle by being able to predict the end of a long cycles! However, I caution you that like predicting short cycles, using key indicators will not work all the time. But learn to trust your knower. I will be looking forward hearing of you continued success!

 Thanks, Larry "AhCraps"!
 www.ahcraps.com
 Play the Situation - Use a Strategy!

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On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:25:10 +1100 "Matthew Gurr"
<mathewg@ozemail.com.au>
writes:

Larry

I would be happy to participate. Anybody who wishes to email me about my results, I will be happy to share them! Thanks for Lesson #2, I will keep you posted on my results.

Rgds Matthew Gurr

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I hope this dialog has been of benefit to you if you had any questions regarding what is required for you to become a successful Situational Craps Player. If you linked from Lesson #1 you can return: Lesson #1 Or you can read other reports form player students. They too hung in there to reap the rewards!

On Wen, 4 Apr 2001 20:25:10 +1100 "Dan Sullivan"
<dsul345@aol.com>
writes:

Hi Larry,
I'm ready for lesson #2.
I just finished the 9th set of lesson #1, The ninth set I made 25 bets
and won 19.
I believe I would be more proficient at predicting short rolls if I had been
able to work on it more, But this morning I started set # 9 and after about
20 cycles I was in the groove.
I didn't really get a real feel of knowing until my 7th set although from set
4 on I was right more than wrong. Thanks for a great site!
Regards,
Dan Sullivan

On Wen, 11 Apr 2001 10:25:10 +1100 "Jerry Davis"
<sdavisdolls@msn.com>
writes:

Dear Larry:

I just completed 9 sets and I feel like I'm walking on air. My score is 35 wins and 6 losses. I live in Las Vegas and play 3 or 4 times a week. I am a don't player and very cognizance of the 7.Over 35 years I have read dozens of articles on dodging the 7 and utilized many of their ideas so the 7 is my friend. There is a system called Craps Pro I used for 6 months recording each number thrown on a pad and the ratio numbers/ 7's.I received so much ridicule from the dealers and players for recording the throws I gave It up. I now use the rack for recording. In any event ,I am very pleased with your efforts in creating Big Red System.

 Thank you very much,

Jerry Davis

 


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The following will be a few of the comments that I have received. They may answer a question you have or may encourage you to be the "Best You Can Be!"
  
(All e-mails are posted only with the permission of the sender!) 

Special thanks to all that have responded! Larry F

Hi Larry!
Greetings and Good Evening to you. I want to thank you for your excellent
work on this site. I am just up to my ninth session of practice. I do intend
to continue with all sets as described in the sit-craps area.
Tonight, we went to the local riverboat. I decided to track the table for the first time and play the Big Red strategy. It worked wonderfully. I had a nice roll myself (12 rolls with three points made) and made $1850.00 on the Big Red! The fun was turning everyone's heads as the green chips piled up in the rack. The pit boss came over and winked at me. I said:  "The seven is what the game is all about, right? And he replied: "You finally got it!"
I am eager to combine this strategy with Pay 4 it and my rhythm rolling
abilities.
Thanks for creating this site. I'll be sure to share it with my pals.
Peg
aka DiceDoctor  DiceDoctor1259@aol.com  

Read your BIG RED system.  I'm not one to advocate increasing your bets when losing, however, I'm willing to try the system.  Sounds interesting and could prove to be a good method. Really enjoyed the way you explained gambling and trends.  I agree with you about what you said concerning the vig and house odds.  Your explanation of these and the "long run", are the best that I have ever read.
       Dan

On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:33:37  "perry benedik" <pbenedik@hotmail.com>

>writes:

Hi, Larry. Thanks for taking the time and patience to put up with people like myself who are slow to change their way of thinking about the game of craps. I had only casually glanced at your website before, but after closer observation, I have decided to try out your method of charting the live tables for myself, since I live near a casino. I will also use my gaming program, that way I can check if there is a difference. I'll get back to you very soon with some of my results. I am looking forward to the study of 7-cycles. Until then, best regards, Perry. 

Hi Larry,

A friend told me to visit your web site, he knows I am a human sponge for new craps strategies. I have passed along your web site to some of my friends. I look forward to your BIG RED strategy. I see merit in it. I was talking to a gentlemen who I see at the riverboats a lot here in Illinois. He intrigues me because he bets the Big Red and plays the field, I am interested in this person because he doesn't bet on every roll or every shooter. He doesn't win every time but he wins more than he loses and is a heavy bettor. He plays a progression at times on the Big Red and that's interesting in itself. Hope to hear from you soon!

Wes Victors

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comments = I have been playing craps for a long time and became a DP bettor long ago .My method was to find the coldest table I could find in the casino. My play was bet DP for 3 shooters /rest make some place bets if the shooter threw some numbers go back to DP for 2 shooters rest again for 2 players then back again to 3 on the DP. I found this method to work very well and it happened quite naturally without much thought on my part. After doing the sets I began to see why this might have occurred plus adding big red which grabbed my interest right from the beginning it has to be the ultimate dark side wager. I would like to try lesson 2 as you say knowledge is power. THANKS VIC

 

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Learn all you Can! by: John Rudden

  Craps is more than just a game. It's a challenge. A chance to do battle against the odds. A test of your luck against the house. You tempt fate. Will you experience the thrill of victory of the agony of defeat?
    You approach the table. Before you lies the green field of battle. You buy your chips and enter into the unknown. This leather bound table represents a world of possibilities and it is, for the moment, your only reality.
    Your objective is to beat the house at it's own game. Can you make the Pit boss sweat? Will Lady Luck shine her light upon you? But you need more than just luck to succeed. Simply making random bets in a haphazard way will almost surely end up in disaster. You will need a plan. Some method or strategy that will help you survive the house edge.
    The odds are against you and that makes it impossible for any system you use to beat the house consistently in the long run. There are, however, some bets that you can make with a low house edge. You need first to determine how the dice are running.
    When you first start betting, take it slow. Get a feel for the table. Are a lot of numbers being thrown and points being made? Or is the seven coming up before you win back your bets? Once you determine which way you think the dice are running, you would start to bet accordingly. Place bets on the six and eight are good for a hot table. Don't come bets are good for a cold table.
    There are hundreds of systems and methods you can try. You also need to know about money management, betting progressions and discipline.
    I have put together a great learning resource in the Craps Pit, http://www.starchip.com/crapspit.htm. There are over 100 systems from all over the web that  are listed in the database. You'll also find betting methods, links, a message board and much more. Best of all it's free!
    Craps is an exciting game, where, once you learn a few simple bets, you can win money and have fun at the same time.

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An Introduction to Gambling on the Net
         by Charlie Post, charlie@better-betting.com

Hello, craps players! My name is Charlie Post, and I am co-editor of the Better Betting website at http://www.better-betting.com . Better Betting has been online for about two years now, and in that time we've built a site that's packed with information about online casinos. From in-depth reviews to strategy articles to our weekly top ten to our interactive message board, we try to offer pretty much everything an internet gambler could possibly want. When Larry approached me about writing an article for Ah Craps, I jumped at the opportunity. So I'd like to thank Larry for giving me this space!

OK, down to business. Have you gambled online before? I suspect that most of you haven't, and I think I know why. There's a lot of confusion about online casinos: is it legal to play? Is your credit card information safe? Can your computer and internet connection handle it? And most importantly, can you trust an online casino to offer fair odds, good service and a secure environment?

These are a lot of questions to answer, and it's no wonder that people are apprehensive about getting started with internet gambling. We've all heard stories in the press about shady casinos ripping people off, or operating illegally, or running into financial trouble. There have been some horror stories, it's true. And no one can guarantee that you won't have the same problems.

But if you're smart about where you play, and you get a little bit of help from the online community, you can keep yourself safe. That's where Better Betting comes in; we offer advice and recommendations on the casinos we've played. We're not really any different from any other online gambler... we just tell you what we find, and let you decide whether to play or not. I'll talk about what it is we look for in a "good" casino in this article.

When I review a casino, the very first thing that matters to me is the appearance of the casino's website. Is it professional? Does it look like a lot of care and time was put into it? Is information like contact numbers and addresses and rules for the games readily available? Think about this: if a casino operator didn't put much time into the design and content of their website, how much time do they have to deal with the operation of the casino? Is this operator going to have a solid development and support staff, and reliable game play?

Signing up with the casino should be simple. You'll probably be asked for your name, your e-mail address, and other contact information, which will be kept in the casino's database. You'll be assigned a username and password for the casino, so that your account will not be accessed by others. Make sure to keep a copy of this information in a safe place, because if you lose it and the casino is unable to retrieve it for you, the money you've spent may be lost.

And what about money? Casinos will usually accept deposits through a credit card, wire transfers, bank drafts, or personal cheques, and there's usually a minimum deposit. Is the minimum within your budget? How about the maximum? When you win, there's a number of ways to get your money, but the most common practice is to have your initial deposit returned to your credit card, and additional winnings will be mailed or wired to you. Check with the casino about this.

There's lots of games you can play online: craps, blackjack, slots, poker, baccarat, roulette, and tons of others. Does the casino you've chosen offer all of these games? Which ones will you play? Look for a casino with a large selection of games, preferably over 30.

Typically speaking, there's two kinds of software packages. The most popular (and the one I like best) is the download option, where you download a file to your computer and run it from there. This will sometimes take a while to get set up with, but the end result is a suite of games that often will be of higher quality. Certain casinos will offer java, HTML, or shockwave/flash games, which are played in your browser. These are growing in popularity, but are sometimes limited when it comes to selection of games, game quality and security.

Perhaps most important is the support that's available from the casino. Let's face it, even if you have a great time playing and you win a lot of money, what happens when you can't get in touch with anyone? Always, always look for a casino that offers 24 hour support by phone and by e-mail. I personally prefer to use e-mail where possible, because it's good to have a hard copy of everything you've been told... but sometimes you need to talk directly to a support representative to get a clearer understanding of things. The support you receive is absolutely crucial to your online gambling experience, and I urge you not to overlook it.

And that's internet gambling in a nutshell, folks. If you have any questions, I'd be glad to help you with them; you can e-mail me at charlie@better-betting.com and I'll do my best to give you a hand. Of course (here comes the cheap plug!) you should visit Better Betting for more information... we update almost every day, and there's lots to learn! Our address is http://www.better-betting.com , and I hope you find it useful. Have fun, and good luck!

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The Casino's Money or Your Money? by Larry Freiwald

 

How many times have you heard, "It was the casino's money, so what if I lost it!" If anyone ever says that to me, I assure them that if, indeed, it was the Casino's Money, they would be arrested! For sure none of us take this expression literally, however, my concern is the mindset that it promotes. The Casino want nothing more than to have you think it "is their money". The reason is simple. It is easy to be careless with somebody else's money! Respect  your PROFIT as YOUR hard earned money. That mindset will stop you from making foolish bets!

 

    

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     "COMPS": Cover some loss, increase profit:  by Larry Edell

    Comps, or complementaries, are important to any gambler. In fact, comps can sometimes turn a losing session into a winning session! If you gamble enough, you can receive, FREE of charge, free food, free rooms and free shows! In order to obtain and maximize your share of comps, you can break the whole process down into five categories - (1) Choice (2)Odds (3) Money (4) Play and (5) Save. By an amazing coincidence, these five subjects spell out COMPS so they should be fairly easy to remember! Let’s take a look at them, one at a time.

1. CHOICE - You always have a choice of where to stay, so why not choose a casino that you really like, rather than one that offers free hot dogs or coffee cups! Does it have different floor plans and superior restaurants? How about a good show, and a nice lounge? Don’t settle for something substandard - If you play consistently at the same casino, you deserve the best!

2. ODDS - Make sure you get comp credit for spread, not individual bet. You should also get full comp credit for odds, proposition bets, and buy or lay bets. The casino should also offer you more than just 2X odds - true odds at the very least, and 5X or more if you’re lucky. "True Odds" pays 3x on the four or ten, 4X on the five or nine, and 5Xon the six or eight. A lot of casinos offer them, but call them first to find out. Remember, it’s much better if you bet $5 with $25 odds rather than $10with $20 odds. But in each case, you’re betting the same money, so make sure you get the same comps!

3. MONEY - Call the casino cage and ask them to mail you a credit application. Fill it out whenever your checking account is at its peak. Being able to write markers not only will increase your comp standing, but give you free credit and better comps as well. Make sure you also get an application for both the slot and table club and, if the casinos part of a hotel chain that has a "frequent visitor" program, ask them to send you one of those applications too! When you play and do get your marker, break up your money into smaller sessions, and use a good money management system. Comps are so much sweeter when you come out a winner as well!

4. PLAY - When it’s finally time to play, introduce yourself to the Boxman, dealer and, if possible, the floor people and pit boss. After you play there a few times, they will remember your name. If you call them by name (they all have name tags) they will make it a point to welcome you each time you return. When you buy in, the Boxman records your first bet, your buy-in and your average bet, so these should be as high as possible - but only when you start out. And make sure you tip the dealers. They are your best friends at the tables. Not only will they help you with your bets, but they can bump up your comps so you comeback! You should never play just for comps, but if you’re going to play anyway, why not get what’s coming to you?

5. SAVE - Now that you’re finished playing, it’s time to save money by asking for your comps. But before you do so, ask for your time and rating, and make sure it agrees with what you think. You could bring a pad and pen and write down your bets, start time and finish time. If there is anything wrong with your rating (like they say you played for 1 hour instead of two) you must get it fixed before you leave the table. You can also ask the boxman for meal or show comps. Your room and other expenses will be taken care of by your casino host when you check out. When it is time to leave, pick up a house phone and ask for a casino host. Make sure everything is taken care of before you head for the departure gates. You need to treat comps like they are YOURS, which, by the way, they are! Now let’s look at what you can SAVE by PLAYING properly, managing your MONEY, getting the highest ODDS, and CHOOSING a good casino! If you received free room, food and shows this is how it might break down for a three day weekend -

$150 per night, two nights TOTAL $300

$50 per show, two tickets TOTAL $100

$20 per meal, nine meals TOTAL $180

Total Saved - $580 !!

Now you have $580 you didn’t have before! This also means that even if you lose $500 during the weekend, you can still come home a winner! So, next time you play, play wisely and remember COMPS -

Choice - Choose a casino with good floor plans, shows and restaurants!

Odds - Get the maximum odds with maximum comps!

Money - Apply for as many different programs as possible!

Play - Get the pit personnel to do what they can to increase your comps!

Save - You can save up to $580 in a weekend’s play!

And, as always, good luck at the tables!

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OBSERVATIONS: by Free4

It would seem that we are all inhibited in our personal performances when subjected to our environments. Since we are dealing in craps, let’s pick apart those elements in a craps game that seem to encumber us. Have you ever felt the surface of a crap table? If you will notice, the surface is coarse enough to take the bark of an oak tree.                        

 

Have you noticed under some conditions where one of the dice would stand on an edge and spin for a time?  No doubt the die has found a literal ditch or trough to spin in until its energy has been expended.                        

 

Have you noticed when the dice are shot gunned to the backboard that they seem to explode and run in all kinds of unpredictable directions?

 

Have you noticed when the dice are thrown and they hit an obstruction like chips, the idiot dealers hands while housekeeping, the stick man's stick wafting about the table aimlessly, the putz at the other end of the table laying down as if to sleep with his forearms resting on the edge of the table and hands drooping outward?

 

Have you noticed when just about to loose the dice, the waitress taps you on the shoulder and asks while smiling, ''Sir would you like something to drink?'', as the dice careen off the table and land in the adjacent blackjack dealers pit?

 

Have you noticed that if you stand at a certain place at the table you seem to maintain longer rolls?

 

Have you noticed that if you maintain a certain body posture that your rolls are more effective.

 

Have you noticed that the guy standing next to you while you have the dice decides he needs to know why you throw the way you do or explain why you put up your bets the way you do and suddenly you find yourself focusing on him instead of what you should be doing?

 

Have you noticed if you’re a right side bettor, that wrong side bettors always dominate the table?  And they always seem to be loudly professing their desire for the nasty 7 to appear while cat calling the shooter?

 

I could go on and on with more "have you noticed" prophecies, but I think you get the idea.

 

It would seem when on the table that posture, target [sweat spot], total focus and management of your game is imperative.

 

More observations:

 

I have a limited exposure to kinds of dice that are out there but will share with you what I have discovered.  Based on dice that I have purchased from the Harrah's gift shop, which are used dice; they seem to come in 3 sizes.                             

These sizes seem to be as follows: 

1. Large dice 25/32 in. have a blue stencil for name of casino and lot or serial numbers. 

2. Medium dice 3/4 in. have a white stencil etc.

3. Small dice 5/8 in. with gold stencil etc.


Of any size, it would seem that the red dice, more so with the large, are a lot livelier than the green dice.  A learned, experienced crapshooter that goes by the handle of "heavy", tells me he feels dice are like golf balls and the liveliness is based on the material compression. This seems to be a very logical answer.  Heavy's wisdom can be read at craps.casino.com in their talk forum.                   

 

I have found that grip, firmness of grip, and how you pick up the dice seems to inhibit the tumble of the dice when properly applied.  Another have you noticed that when you pick up the dice that like a ball of chewing gum, no matter how hard you fling your hand you can't get the gum off your fingers. Could it be that the worried players from excessive sweating and dirty hands have mucked up the dice. 

 

I spoke to a pit boss about carrying a couple of nicely folded soft paper towels in your pocket to clean your hands before a shoot. HE said he had no problem with it but to be sure and tell the dealers what you were doing with your hands in your pocket to circumvent nasty accusations. It might be a good idea before doing this to talk to the box man and apprise him of your intent.

 

We see a lot of trip reports on how good or bad an outing was.  Hardly ever on a good outing do we see how the individual set his dice, how he picked up the dice, how he gripped the dice, what fingers he/she used, position/target area used, or whether they used a vertical throw or horizontal throw, etc....

 

I'm not professing to dictate to reporters on how to tell their story, but I would like to say this. Isn't the ultimate objective to "BEAT THE HOUSE"?  I also don't won't to step on any aspired book authors and infringe on their right to make a buck. Perhaps we will all agree that we have spent a great deal of time and money in an effort to beat the @#%@#@& House at their own game.

 

In as much as strategies are concerned, we all have our ways. I'm reminded of an item I read sometime back that goes like this: "THE LEARNERS PATH IS LONG AND DIFFICULT, BUT BY EXAMPLE, ITS SHORT AND SUCCESSFUL” Is it possible that if in our articles, forums, etc., if we were more specific, perhaps by examples, we all could be more successful.

 

A newfound web buddy at AHCRAPS.COM asked me if I would be interested in putting this article or whatever it is together, to share with other readers. Larry Freiwald has just recently put this site up and I find it to be quite informative. 

 

I hope this item finds other crapshooters out there that have thoughts to share.  To date AHCRAPS site is clean, informative and well presented. Let the good times ROLL!

 

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"Setting The Dice" by: Larry Edell 
(Get a pair of dice, it will help to understand the positions he is talking about!)

 If you have ever experimented with dice setting, you’ve probably discovered that many casinos frown on this procedure. In fact some resorts will prevent you from setting the dice, as they have regulations on actually how the dice should be tossed.

The dealers must adhere to these “laws” so you should not blame them - they are just doing their jobs. However if you still want to set the dice there is a way to do so - even if they don’t let you do it!

 Before you learn how, let’s look at seven regulations that many casinos have regarding the Crapshooter’s handing of the dice.

 1. You must handle the dice with one hand only.

 2. You must choose only two dice from the five offered.

 3. You cannot toss them over your shoulder.

 4. You cannot toss them higher than line of sight of the dealers.

 5. They must bounce, and then bounce off the opposing wall at the other end of the table.

 6. They must be tossed, not slid or dropped.

 7. The shooter must toss them so that he does not slow down or disrupt the game.

 It is this last regulation that bothers dealers. Many people take their time and set the dice for the number they want to see rolled, and this does take some time. The dealers will then tell you, in no uncertain terms, “Come on shooter, toss the dice!”

  If you persist in “holding up the game,” a dealer can legally take the dice away from you and pass them to the next shooter. This isn’t done too often, as it tends to make the other players mad, but it can happen.

 If a dealer on your table frowns on dice setting, there are only two things you can do if you want to continue to set the dice. The first is to practice at home so you can set the dice in less than two seconds.

This is easier to do than it seems. If, for example you like to set them with the sixes up and get a pair with two ones, you can just flip them over, as opposing sides always add up to seven. If the dice show a four and a five, the opposing sides are a three and two. So, when you set the dice, now you are looking for two numbers instead of one. If you set the dice for two three’s facing up, you are looking for either a three, or a four on both dice. If you set the dice for two fives, you are looking for either a five or a two.

 If this is too much trouble, there is a much quicker way to set them - Just ask the dealer to do it for you! That’s right, ask the dealer to return the dice to you with the sixes (or fives or threes or fours) facing up. They can hardly complain about slowing the game down if they are the ones doing the setting! This method works at most casinos, and the dealers will be more than happy to do this, especially if you tip them!

 So the next time you want to set the dice, get the dealers to help you - This will not only speed the game up, but allow you to use pre-sets to increase your profits as well! And, as always, good luck at the tables!

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The following is a few Words from Free4 Plus his Set Table!

The intent of this article is to encourage you to familiarize yourself with the many facets of the dice and to be able to readily pick them up and set them before the dealers are in their face. (If they do, use Larry's suggestion above!)

Having passed this article across some of my friends, it would appear      that expected results for different sets work in different ways for each individual. Just remember that if you are a “right” player, an expected result is any number other than a 7! However, after using my table and throwing dice hundreds of times at home as well as on real table, my personal preference is front die 4 up 5 looking at you 2 looking down table, rear die 5 up 1 looking at you 6 looking down table. 
     There are other factors at work in getting expected results. I don't know if it has to do with posture, height, or method of grip and delivery.  I have concluded that a shorter person is better served to be the 2nd or 3rd from the stick because velocity/arc does influence the dice trajectory and end results.  For that matter a taller person [longer arms] if they can manage a softer throw can do equally well on a shorter throw. I feel that the further you are from your preferred target the more difficult it is to hit repeatedly. Consistency is the Key!

Believe it or not, I have found that different color dice will react differently. For example, green dice, I use 4/6... 6/5 or 4/6...6/4 set (see how to arrange dice below) in the same manner as above. I have had quite good results with these guys; however like heavy, my craps buddy says, some times you do good some times you don’t.  I have found that each pair of dice, regardless of color [density influence perhaps] has individual inherent characteristics.  Dice setting, like others have remarked, takes a lot of work and study.  I suggest using the article as a starting point for users to try to develop sets that best fit them overall for comfort of throw and long term repeat performance.

 

DICE ARRANGEMENTS LOOKING TO AVOID 4 OF 6 POSSIBLE SEVENS

 To drive a nail, one needs an appropriate tool and needs to know the properties of the tool to achieve the optimum effectively. Not unlike dice, you need to know the orientation of the numbers "dots" that comprise a set of dice. This will help you QUICKLY POSITION the arrangements you desire. 

The following information shows a possible way to accomplish this:

NOTE: table does not reflect on craps or yo

24 POSSIBLE NUMBER SETS

RATIO OF NUMBERS TO SEVENS IS 4 TO 1

LEFT

RIGHT

BUTT

LEFT

RIGHT

BUTT

LEFT

RIGHT

BUTT

DIE

DIE

DICE

DIE

DIE

DICE

DIE

DIE

DICE

[HORIZONTAL THROW] [DICE SIDE BY SIDE]

6

5

3'S

5

4

1'S

4

6

2'S

5

6

4

5

6

4

5

6

4'S

4

5

6'S

6

4

5'S

6

5

5

4

4

6

5

1

3'S

4

2

1'S

6

3

2'S

1

5

2

4

3

6

1

5

4'S

2

4

6'S

3

6

5'S

5

1

4

2

6

3

1

2

3'S

2

3

1'S

3

1

2'S

2

1

3

2

1

3

2

1

4'S

3

2

6'S

1

3

5'S

1

2

2

3

3

1

2

6

3'S

3

5

1'S

1

4

2'S

6

2

5

3

4

1

6

2

4'S

5

3

6'S

4

1

5'S

2

6

3

5

1

4

WITH EACH DICE STACK GROUP, ROTATE RIGHT DIE 90 DEGREES CW.

WAS

WAS

NOW

NOW

EXAMPLE

6

5

6

5

[3/4 AND 6/1 SEVEN COMBO are NOT SHOWING]

5

6

5

4

INSTEAD OF JUST THE 3/4 SEVEN COMBO NOT SHOWING, YOU NOW HAVE THE 4/3 AND 6/1 SEVEN COMBO'S NOT SHOWING. SUPPOSEDLY YOU ARE ONLY AT RISK WITH THE 5/2 SEVEN SEQUENCE IF THAT AXIS PREVAILS AFTER THROW.

YOU CAN ALSO ROTATE THIS STACK , ABOUT ITS AXIS, TO 4 DIFFERENT SEQUENCES, ALWAYS OMITTING 2 SEVEN COMBO'S SHOWING. SUCH AS 6/5 UP, 5/4 UP, 1/2 UP OR 2/3 UP.

THE TRICK HERE IS TO MAKE THE DICE "DIE" WHEN THEY HIT THE TABLE. YOU DON'T WANT MUCH TUMBLING. I'VE FOUND BY THROWING DICE HIGH NEAR THE BACK BOARD, GENTLY BUT TIGHTLY HOLDING DICE BETWEEN THUMB AND MIDDLE FINGER, AND WITH AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF LOFT GIVES NICE RESULTS. BUZZ PHRASE "HTL". I THREW DICE HUNDREDS OF TIMES TO SEE WHAT NUMBERS WERE BEST SUITED FOR PREFERRED SETUPS. SIMILAR ARRANGEMENTS CAN BE MADE FOR FRONT TO BACK SETUP OR STACKING ONE ON TOP OF THE OTHER FOR VERTICAL SETUP.

 

Hi bud,  you talked about less advanced players not being able to deal with tables in Craps Pit.  Thought maybe this might be more suitable as a starting point.  Use it if you wish.  Let me know what you think.  Free 4
 
 

4 PRIMARY DICE SET CONFIGURATIONS

The tables below give a relationship of the "SEVEN'S" orientation in regard to their respective

planes [vertical & horizontal]. Using the inverted capital "T" describes the dice sets from left

to right [horizontal bar] and the upper portion indicates 7 orientations for a forward motion.

[vertical bar] Notice the significant differences in the Sum:across #'s and SUM:craps,yo,7's

in each table. Choose the appropriate table for the desired results you wish to obtain.

Example: seeking Horn numbers, numbers across the board, inside/outside numbers etc...

OPTIMUM DICE SET FOR COME OUT ROLLS

OPTIMUM DICE SET DURING POINT ROLLS

Sum:across #'s=6

Sum:across #'s=12

Sum:craps,yo,7's=10

Sum:craps,yo,7's=4

Possible

Possible

V

6

P

# Sums

V

4

P

# Sums

E

1

L

[2-1]

E

3

L

[2-0]

R

.

A

[3-2]

R

.

A

[3-1]

T

.

N

[4-1]

T

.

N

[4-1]

I

.

E

[5-0]

I

.

E

[5-2]

C

5

[6-2]

C

3

[6-3]

A

2

[7-4]

A

4

[7-2]

L

.

[8-2]

L

.

[8-3]

.

[9-0]

.

[9-2]

 

.

 

[10-1]

 

.

 

[10-1]

         4/3. . . . . . . . . . 3/4

[11-2]

         2/5. . . . . . . . . . 6/1

[11-1]

 

 

 

[12-1]

 

 

 

[12-0]

HORIZONTAL PLANE

HORIZONTAL PLANE

LESSER DICE SETS DURING POINT ROLLS

LESSER DICE SETS DURING POINT ROLLS

Sum:across #'s=12

Sum:across #'s=10

Sum:craps,yo,7's=4

Sum:craps,yo,7's=6

Possible

Possible

V

5

P

# Sums

V

6

P

# Sums

E

2

L

[2-0]

E

1

L

[2-1]

R

.

A

[3-1]

R

.

A

[3-1]

T

.

N

[4-2]

T

.

N

[4-1]

I

.

E

[5-2]

I

.

E

[5-2]

C

2

[6-2]

C

1

[6-2]

A

5

[7-2]

A

6

[7-2]

L

.

[8-2]

L

.

[8-2]

.

[9-2]

.

[9-2]

 

.

 

[10-2]

 

.

 

[10-1]

         4/3. . . . . . . . . . 1/6

[11-1]

         2/5. . . . . . . . . . 4/3

[11-1]

 

 

 

[12-0]

 

 

 

[12-1]

 

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       Some Crapy Humor    by: yopappy

    A recent outing gave way to a large chuckle for all the payers at  craps table - that is all but One! . A young man was very meticulously  going through the motions of setting the dice. Once set, he would gently grasp the top edges of the dice as though tickling them, then release and start the process all over again. 
    After two or three gyrations of this nature; his arm abruptly extended forward, and all eyes eagerly awaited the outcome of the throw. To everyone's amazement, there were NO DICE to be seen! Everyone wondered what happen to them. 
    The young man looked at the table in front of him and to his embarrassment, there they were! The table participants abruptly broke out in loud laughter. As the color rose in the shooters face, he reached for the dice again going through the same motions as before and immediately produced a SEVEN OUT!
    Amongst a cloud of half anger, and half laughter, the man slipped into a wave of bystanders as they turned to see what all the commotion was all about. 

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